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Offline Florian

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unknown 4 port head
« on: October 10, 2007, 02:14:26 pm »
Hi,

I just bought this head on ebay. The seller told me, he bought it in Italy and had to sell it for economic reasons. Can anybody tell me, which factory in Italy does this jobs and if anybody had made some experiences with this type of head? I hope I didn´t waste my money...

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Florian

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Re: unknown 4 port head
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2007, 05:17:46 pm »
hallo Florian ,the head comes from sicilia and are good .I still have a intake manifold for it : 50 euro The must be adapted .Gozzoli is resaling them to
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Offline Paul vander Heyden

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Re: unknown 4 port head
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2007, 06:22:43 pm »
Hello Florian,

This head will likely take VERY large valves. My guess is perhaps 32 and 29mm.   As such, the amount of material between the two seats will be minimal.  This is the only area that might be a risk.

Further, the designer has chosen to remove material from the "squish" area opposite the spark plug and put a large relief area around the forward side of the intake valve (similar to the smaller relief of the standard A112 head).  All of this will do two things.  1) Lower the overall compression ratio 2) Reduce the effectiveness of the squish effect, thus hampering full combustion.

Squish effect relies on the two surfaces (head and piston) being in close proximity (1mm or less) when the piston is at TDC.  This forces the charge towards the spark plug and promotes better combustion, allows less overall ignition advance (because less time is required to burn the intake charge at high RPM)  and reduces the occurence of pre-ignition and detonation.  I would think that all of these attributes are desirable in a competition motor, so I do not understand the reworking of the combustion chamber, UNLESS it was intended to be used with some special pistons where the dome of the piston closely matched the new combustion chamber shape.

Lastly, as these heads are made by welding up the original intake passage and then drilling new passages for the four intake ports, two things will have occurred.  Water cooling flow around the intake valve will have been disrupted and changed to some extent.  I am unsure as to whether this might have any detrimental effect.  Likewise, the effect of welding (application of heat) will have had an annealing effect on the head material and the welded areas are going to be a different metallurgy.  Only if the head was annealed and re-heat treated, after the welding process was completed, might the material hardness be restored to that of the original casting.

Good luck with it.

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Paul Vanderheyden
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Offline Florian

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Re: unknown 4 port head
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2007, 07:06:14 pm »
Hello Paul,

thank you very much for your comments. Yes I know that these heads are reworked ones and I know about the risk of them. I also noticed the lack of material in the squish area and made the same conclusions you made. As I haven´t received the head alredy, I can not check the valve diameters. The vendor only informed that the intake ones are 32mm. He also confirmed that the there is no material damage in this area. Anyway I thougt that I could temper the head again, to be secure that the material quality will be homogeneous ( I hope that can be done at any time and not directly after the welding process).
But when I tell you that I only paid litte more than a 10% of the price Gozzoli is asking for it, maybe you can understand that I could not resist the tempation of buying it...so they are two possibilites: I bought in ebay Spain and the Abarth scene here knows that the part is scrap or I simply was very lucky that I got it.

Regards,

Florian



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