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Title: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on July 04, 2008, 11:11:33 PM
Hy this is my reply of fiat 131 abarth.
The car is German,(but iam spanis), and it was much damaged of sheet (rotted) I am dismantled completely, the affected parts were replaced and box of marches mated with kit of transformation abarth, then with the mechanics, suspensions, distinguishing, engine, everything touched and was improved to be able to support his new potency, that of the engine abarth 16v used for seat competicón in 124 protos (grupo5)
They have been 3 long years of restoration to be able to see it finished. I hope that you should like, for greetings
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on July 04, 2008, 11:13:38 PM
more photos....
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on July 04, 2008, 11:15:18 PM
more photos.....
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on July 04, 2008, 11:16:56 PM
more photos....
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on July 04, 2008, 11:19:29 PM
more photos...
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on July 04, 2008, 11:21:02 PM
more photos....
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on July 04, 2008, 11:24:17 PM
The last photos.....
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on July 04, 2008, 11:30:03 PM
Now does one present to me a problem, I cannot register the car in Spain, I lack the password of homologation, Someone of you has or 131 might obtain the password of homologation of the fiat abarth stradale?
It would be very sad to throw 3 years of hard work and not to be able to register the car. Thank you.
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on July 06, 2008, 08:45:47 PM
hallo Joan,wat is the passworrd of homologation ?
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on July 06, 2008, 10:32:41 PM
Hello Guy, I do not know which is, they ask me for it to register the car.
It would have to be of the fiat 131 abarth stradale.
Looking I have found this numeration, it is of the fiat 131 abarth rally, but I do not know if it is correct -674-
In the Spanish papers (I suppose that they will be in all), the title role in the end puts the password of homologation, this is what I would need.
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on July 06, 2008, 11:34:11 PM
pasword of homologation=code of homologation,not as calling it exactly
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: naegeli on July 13, 2008, 11:41:56 AM
anyone knows if the lowering springs of a 124 europaspider work also on a 131 racing. i have a new set and have to get my 131 a little down, especially in the rear:
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on July 13, 2008, 12:00:57 PM
hallo Peter ,use the original and make them +-4 cm  shorter.Than the are also stiffer .Our put them under a bridge our porte power ,heated with gas Make them 5 cm lower and let cool down .After this the stay  +-4 cm lower but harder .Dont forget to paint them our the go up and down from size when driving
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: naegeli on July 13, 2008, 01:01:17 PM
thanks guy for the useful info.. i will folow your advice and sometime purchase some adjustable shocks.
just fitted the gp 4 gearbox cover today. it fits perfectly, is very light and looks great: found alos that the rubber gaiter together with alloy frame from the fiat 500 looks nice on it and does the business.
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: naegeli on July 13, 2008, 01:04:23 PM
dear joan,

i am using your subject for my 131 questions. and forgot to congratulate you for the HUGE project you made. thanks for the fotos and bravo for the work!

greetings from rainy switzerland.
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Simon on August 27, 2008, 02:05:14 PM
Now does one present to me a problem, I cannot register the car in Spain, I lack the password of homologation, Someone of you has or 131 might obtain the password of homologation of the fiat abarth stradale?
It would be very sad to throw 3 years of hard work and not to be able to register the car. Thank you.

Hii supperb job Joan,

I guess they are asking you for the FISA homologation passport ? usually for VHC racing registration you need to ask for that passport while you reconstruct the car,  however if you do not have the original papers from a 131 abarth wreck I beleive it will be really difficult to get it through..at least that is the sorts of problems we have in France !

All my support
Simon
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on August 27, 2008, 02:13:06 PM
you must not do homologation like a 131 Abarth.In the FIA papers from a 131 Racing are the wingextentions,injektion etc all in .Beter say that it is a 131 Racing group 2
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: naegeli on August 27, 2008, 07:52:37 PM
guy, i have not seen any injection homologated for the 131 racing, not even twin webers....do i have the wrong papers ?
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on August 27, 2008, 10:51:49 PM
Hello, this is what Simon spends to me with mine, in Spain we have the same probelma, now we are trying with an engineer and an agent, it seems that they have found the solution, but until September I will not know anything sure, as I am advancing I will tell you, greetings.

P.s - excuses my English it is not very good.
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Simon on August 28, 2008, 01:41:14 PM
you must not do homologation like a 131 Abarth.In the FIA papers from a 131 Racing are the wingextentions,injektion etc all in .Beter say that it is a 131 Racing group 2

Hii Guy,
that is really interesting, so the idea is to build a 131 racing group 2, and homologuate it like that in FISA / VHC ? Does enyone has the homologation specification details of a 131 Racing GR 2 ?
Just for fun this week end I am going to see two 131 racing for sale, still road going with all their legal Franch papers..If you are sure that we can homologate them in VHC GR2 I certainly will get one for a future project !
Anyone with 131 GR2 autentic photos ? please do post them..its always nice to look at the paintings scheme.
Have fun,
Simon
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Simon on August 28, 2008, 02:03:12 PM
guy, i have not seen any injection homologated for the 131 racing, not even twin webers....do i have the wrong papers ?

Hello,
which papers do you have, can you share them with us ? what is the extent of the modifications that can be done on a 131 Racing GR2 ?
Thank you for your contribution in advance,
Simon
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on August 28, 2008, 02:50:27 PM
I have send them and you see here lots off nice things in
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: naegeli on August 30, 2008, 09:23:14 PM
hello all,

i have been working on a similar project over the past few months. FIAT RACING 2000 modified for group top homologate FIA.  i had the car scrutineered here in switzerland and all the documents went to FIA (after having paid 300 euros for the form).

the car has not been accepted; here a few things NOT to do when building a Gp 2:  do not fit a ABARTH replica body kit, the front hood does not have a bonnet, no roof spoiler, no rear spoiler and your car has to have bumpers!! which are gone when you fit a body kit. do not fit a carburettor kit with two IDFs, only same number and system as original, this means when you have one 34downdraft, you can mount one 40 downdraft on a inlet manifold same as original. you should have your tank filled with foam, sometimes this will be checked.

Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: naegeli on August 30, 2008, 09:31:18 PM




even if I found an interesting modelcar, seems that armin schwarz drove a 131 racing in the german championship, hunsrueck rally. but if a show a modelcar to the FIA as proof of history, hhhmmmh


Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on August 30, 2008, 10:18:16 PM
http://www.abarth-gmr.be/forum/index.php/topic,1827.0.html    Boys ,this is like a group 2 must be
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Simon on September 02, 2008, 02:59:27 PM
I have send them and you see here lots off nice things in

Yes thank you it is great, super.
I do not understand why our friend Naegeli in Switzerland does not get throught with side draft carbs !! as it seems (could not read everthing clearly due to copy quality)  that dry sumps and mechanical injection was accepted in GR 2 spec sheets...On the other end scourging on the net I could find pictures of 131 racing in rally with roof wing and rear hood wing ?? I beleive they are photo from recent rally and that they are not homologated into VHC..I am concluding that it is really really hard to find 131 racing GR2 original race photos ! could not even find one on the net these last few days. So if someone would be kind enaught to post some, it would be a great help for us in our pilgrimage of homologation of 131 Racing GR2 in VHC.
Thank for your help in advance
Simon
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Simon on September 02, 2008, 03:27:40 PM
http://www.abarth-gmr.be/forum/index.php/topic,1827.0.html    Boys ,this is like a group 2 must be

Some photo I found on the net..not really group 2 but racing anyway into some class..
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on November 28, 2008, 09:52:52 PM
Hi Guy, I recently adquired this cylinderhead of fiat 131 Abarth ¿Gr4?.
Let me know if you have the intake manifold for about 44 IDF weber-vertical-and they can cost, thanks.
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on November 28, 2008, 10:38:20 PM
fantastic for you Joan.on this moment only Gozzoli in Italy have this manifold for sale
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on November 28, 2008, 11:12:10 PM
THANKS, ask THEM.
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on November 28, 2008, 11:45:33 PM
no probleme ,always happy to help
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: cormonov on November 29, 2008, 12:21:55 AM
Hi Guy
I´m searching one cog belt pulley set for my 131 abarth engine, the set is for the water pump-crank-alternator.  Eventualy do you have available these parts?
thanks

 
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on November 29, 2008, 02:40:27 PM
the are normale to find in the shops but you need to make inside the holes .I can mesure the one in my 131 abarth iff you wish ?
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: cormonov on November 30, 2008, 04:24:17 AM
Perfect Guy,
thanks
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: naegeli on November 30, 2008, 07:36:35 PM
going back to simons post concerning FIA Gp2...i have been rejected from 2009 rally monte carlo historique because of not period look, they never had a Racing with abarth style extensions and spoilers competing in RMC, i have received fotos of period cars from the automobile club of monaco. just basic standard 2000 racing competed in 79/80. when i offered to send rioght away an application form for my perfect 124 Abarth, they told me : sorry, too late. now i am thinking what to do for next year ..131 Abarth Gp4 (guy?) lancia beta monte carlo standard, FIAT 125 S Gp 2 or so
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on December 25, 2008, 12:40:55 PM
Hello, I have a question. Which is the power max of 131 Gr.4 with wet sump and  4 carburetors? Thank you.
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on December 25, 2008, 01:07:49 PM
200-215 HP
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on April 30, 2009, 11:52:03 PM
Hello, ultimately a collector locates abarth for the carburetors idf vertical.
The gentleman who me sold them, has a back suspension of 131 stradale, with his her differential one and you label. But it he does not have the arms of suspension the low ones (right and low left-handed) and the support that there bears the differential one (the forward).
Can you have them? When they can cost? Serious very difficult to connect the suspension to my reply? Excuse for my English.Thank you.
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on May 01, 2009, 11:49:52 AM
hallo Joan,I have still one set (original )for sale.You need also a support for diff and 2 our 3 support bt this can be remake.YOu can all me during the day iff you wish
Title: Re: My fiat 131 racing/abarth
Post by: Joan31 on May 25, 2009, 11:43:24 PM
Hello all.I am trying to find the specifications for the Valve Lash or Clearance for my 16 Valve 131 Abarth Engine, any one with factory specifications, this is for a competition engine.
Thanks.