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Title: Siata abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on October 11, 2009, 01:28:43 pm
I received this info long time ago but with update my forum I found this back . Maybe you can give more info...
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on October 11, 2009, 01:30:19 pm
Siata abarth 750
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: viotti600 on October 14, 2009, 01:49:19 am
So very, very WRONG on so many levels! FAKE. The person who put this car together should be flogged. ;)
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on October 14, 2009, 08:26:55 am
show than the right Siata Abarth.You dont find many info from it.
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: viotti600 on October 14, 2009, 12:11:28 pm
show than the right Siata Abarth. You dont find many info from it.

 To begin with, the first 2 photos you posted above are of an Abarth 750 Berlina that sold on eBay awhile back. This very same car is also featured on the "Car Gallery" page of my 750 Berlina website http://home.earthlink.net/~abarth750/ . Fellow forum member Michael Lemus came across the car before it was for sale, & took photos of the car when it was still in an old shed covered with dust & cobwebs. This car has absolutely nothing to do with a Siata Abarth 750, nor is it related at all to the car shown in the rest of your photos.

 As for the car in the rest of the photos...A REAL Siata Abarth 750 Berlina would not be built on a late 600D/600E style chassis with standard front-hinged (non-suicide) doors like the car you've shown is, and it would not have an Abarth 750 front grille/emblem on the nose or Abarth swallow-winged emblem on the hood. It would also not have a Fiat 850-style coolant overflow plastic tank (fitted in standard location as on 600E/R & Seat/Zastava 600's, I believe?), nor 850TC type 3-leg fixed decklid props, nor a 600D/E type dashboard fitted with an 850TC style gauge unit, nor a 600D/E engine lid or taillights - none of these things even existed yet when the Siata Abarth 750's were made! I won't mention the A112 engine in it...ok, yes I will. :) It would have a special-made Fiat 600-based 735cc engine featuring a 60mm bore x 65mm stroke, 7.7:1 compression, 31hp with a rev limit of 5000rpm's and a top speed of 71mph.

  A Siata Abarth 750 Berlina would only be built on a 1959-1961 chassis, because the Siata-Abarth working relationship only lasted those three years (began in 1959, ended in 1961). The Siata Abarth 750 cars were produced in 4 different models; A 4-seater CoupĂ©, a Roadster, a Berlina & a Multipla variant. Here is a photo of the 4 of them together on the Siata stand at the 1959 Torino Salone, along with close-ups of the CoupĂ© & the Roadster.

Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on October 14, 2009, 12:21:41 pm
Many thanks Jeff for the info .Do you now iff someone have still one ? This is what whe have to do :give info otherwish nobody now it after some years
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: viotti600 on October 14, 2009, 12:52:26 pm
 How could you, with supposedly so much knowledge of Abarth cars & parts, not have recognized the fact that this is just a very late-model 600D or 600E/R (or Seat/Zastava?) car with a bunch of random 850TC-related parts & stickers/emblems thrown on it???

 Historical (time/era) relevance is the easiest way to spot fake/clone cars like these. The problem is that nobody speaks up about cars like this, & then the unknowledgable folks see a car like this & assume it (& it's particular assemblage of parts) is real & just accept it as authentic. THAT IS WRONG!

 This is not another case of "Abarth was always changing things...no two cars are alike..." as you say. ;)

 If someone wants to make a 750 or 850TC clone/replica out of their Fiat 600, fine. But at least have the brains enough to use the right chassis &/or period-correct collection of parts for the particular model you're trying to reproduce! This isn't rocket science here, folks. Really.
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: sfloriano on April 03, 2011, 12:49:05 am
Hello, it looks like the SIATA-ABARTH body was an evolution of the previous SIATA AMICA 600.
I own one, the front grill is very similar to the AMICA of 1958, but the documents from 1960 says FIAT-ABARTH 750
let me try to post some pictures.(http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/15/58/12/50/img_0310.jpg)
(http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/15/58/12/50/logo7510.jpg)
all comments welcome!
best regards from Switzerland
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: olavr on October 13, 2011, 12:47:52 pm
I have a car I think is a Siata Amica 600 1956. I have not found any information of this car anywhere, except for some pictures. Mr Jeff Stich on this forum has been very helpful.
I have posted a story of the car at autopuzzle

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=15730.0

Can you please give any information, if you have?
Regards, olavr
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on October 13, 2011, 03:39:20 pm
hallo ,take mayby contact with alessandro Sannia, Fiat 600 fuoriserie books ( fiatfuoriserie@libero.it   ) on forum  and
Alberto Fornai   Carrozzieri italiani  books albertofornai@virgilio.it
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: olavr on October 13, 2011, 10:04:35 pm
Thank you Mr Guy Moerenhout and sfloriano who sent me a PM
I will try to contact the persons you suggests
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: sfloriano on October 20, 2011, 10:52:50 pm
Lucky enough to find some picture in an old french magazine from 1959!

(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/11/18/73/02/spider10.jpg)

(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/11/18/73/02/coupei10.jpg)

(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/11/18/73/02/spider11.jpg)

sorry for the quality, I had no scanner that day , so it's taken from my cell phone :-)
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: viotti600 on October 21, 2011, 10:11:13 am
Lucky enough to find some picture in an old french magazine from 1959!

Very nice find on those photos - you never know what you'll find in old car magazines! ;)

However, the third photo is not a Siata car, it's an Allemano 750 Spider (the text shown above it also says this).
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: olavr on February 05, 2012, 11:12:52 am
Hello again!
It appears that my car (Amica -56) has a motor with increased stroke. Stroke is 65 mm instead of normal 600, 56 mm. This increases the capacity to 735 ccm. It also has a special exhaust manifold wit a collector pipe.
I recieved from mr Sannia a copy of a brochure describing the engine modification.
I wonder if these modifications were done by Siata, or maybe was Abarth involved?
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: viotti600 on February 06, 2012, 09:10:44 am
It appears that my car (Amica -56) has a motor with increased stroke. Stroke is 65 mm instead of normal 600, 56 mm. This increases the capacity to 735 ccm.

That is correct. Siata "tuned" their Fiat 600 engines by using pistons with the standard 600 bore of 60mm along with a 65mm-stroke crankshaft, giving 735cc. The engine had a 7.7:1 compression ratio & a rev limit of ~5000rpm, giving 31HP & a top speed of nearly 71mph (for Coupe & Sedan bodies).


I wonder if these modifications were done by Siata, or maybe was Abarth involved?

These were Siata modifications, done separately from the Abarths. Siata offered the 60mm pistons & 65mm crankshaft as a "750" kit for the Fiat 600, as well (see photo below).

The Abarth 750's used parts with slightly different measurements, namely 61mm pistons with a 64mm crankshaft, 9.1:1 (or 9.8:1) compression ratio & 42-44hp with 747cc.

Were you able to salvage any of the specialty parts from your Siata's engine?
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: olavr on February 06, 2012, 09:55:32 pm
Thank you for very good information! My parts are even more rare than Abarth!
I doubt that the motor can be saved, it has been outdoors for so many years w o the cylinder head!
maybe the crank can be saved, and I will of course try to loosen the pistons!
Are the block and rods the same as an ordinary 600?
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: sfloriano on August 19, 2012, 11:37:48 am
Back to your question about the SIATA elaborazione of the engine, here is a picture of my engine, clearly a SIATA 750 .
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/18/73/02/testat11.jpg)
I guess on these SIATA-ABARTH model, ABARTH was mainly mentioned for marketing purpose, as they where co owning SIATA to try to save it ...

Glad to come back on the topic, my SIATA-ABARTH is at the body shop now, in september it will look like new with its original colours, blue and cream
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: guy moerenhout on August 19, 2012, 02:52:24 pm
mayby some more photos ?
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: sfloriano on August 19, 2012, 06:28:05 pm
So far I don't have more pictures of the engine, but here some more of the car:
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/18/73/02/cotegl10.jpg)

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/18/73/02/av11.jpg)

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/18/73/02/img_0313.jpg)

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/18/73/02/intav10.jpg)

those pictures has been taken before the restauration. More pictures later ! ...


Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: sfloriano on August 19, 2012, 08:08:11 pm
One more picture, taken by Michael Ward from AUTOITALIA mag, ( see his pictures of the Moretti Days 2011 here : http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelwardphotos/6069335867/in/set-72157627368606573/ )

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/18/73/02/siata-10.jpg)
(copyright Michael Ward)
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: olavr on August 20, 2012, 12:44:20 pm
Thank you for very interesting pictures!
I'll check if my engine has the Siata stamping, but I am missing the head, can check if the block is stamped.
Also, the interior in your car is not very much changed from the normal 600, even the steering wheel looks like it has been directrly swapped from a standard car.
Good luck in the resoration!
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: sfloriano on September 19, 2012, 09:19:36 pm
My SIATA-ABARTH is now out of the oven, beautifully  restaured, a nice ivory and blue colour combination, these were the original colours!

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/18/73/02/img_1014.jpg)

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/18/73/02/img_1015.jpg)

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/18/73/02/img_1017.jpg)

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/18/73/02/img_1018.jpg)

I have now to look for the wheels caps, look at the original pictures from Turin Autosalon ...
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: olavr on September 27, 2012, 11:09:18 am
Nice pictures, very nice car!
I have checked my engine for SIATA stamping, but did not find any.
One question: Do you know if your car has the windshield from another Fiat, or is it specially made for the Siata? Question asked because on my car the windshield is missing and the frame is cut away.
Title: Re: Siata abarth
Post by: Alfons1972 on September 15, 2018, 08:00:07 am
Hello,
I am happy that I have found very special information about Siata 750 transformation of early 600 engines...
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