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Title: MOSKVITCH Rally
Post by: guy moerenhout on June 28, 2013, 08:23:33 pm

MOSKVITCH 2140 I was buying a 1979 car and will build it like  rallycar .
I am looking for rallyparts  like intakemanifold for  2 Weber ,exhaustmanifold ; Rally  wheels tec...
In Belguim was  Vic Heylen that build  3 our 4 cars for Spa ,matby someone can give more info about this ones .
All help welcome

Title: Re: MOSKVITCH Rally
Post by: Edgar_mg on July 25, 2013, 08:09:46 am

Hi! I'm interested in the history of sports cars Moskvich. I Have a lot of pictures of this car.
This car is officially called the "Moskvich 1600 Rallye", It has been homologated in 1976.
Restore this car in the original - very difficult. The fact that it used a very rare parts.
Engine - 1.6 DOHC, "412-2V", about 130 h.p., These cylinder heads were produced only 22 pieces, survived to our days just a few. The engine is very similar to the Fiat 1600 OSCA, Fiat OSCA engine was tested in AZLK and was used as a sample layout.
Gearbox - not the standard. The experimental model CP-9 (КП-9) or 412-020. Released about 70 pieces, now they are very difficult to find if you're lucky - in Moscow, it will cost 1000-2000 EUR.

Homologation papers:
(http://s13.postimg.org/djzhxxof7/homolog_lapok01.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/djzhxxof7/) (http://s13.postimg.org/l3skzzhlv/homolog_lapok02.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/l3skzzhlv/) (http://s13.postimg.org/dhfmb3krn/homolog_lapok03.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/dhfmb3krn/) (http://s13.postimg.org/k6hkddgpv/homolog_lapok04.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/k6hkddgpv/) (http://s13.postimg.org/i75jzpbs3/homolog_lapok05.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/i75jzpbs3/) (http://s13.postimg.org/japobnwf7/homolog_lapok06.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/japobnwf7/) (http://s13.postimg.org/p7tjshdk3/homolog_lapok07.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/p7tjshdk3/)


Engine:
(http://s21.postimg.org/6rvvw92mb/505929u_960.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6rvvw92mb/) (http://s21.postimg.org/9kki2jdkz/a05929u_960.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/9kki2jdkz/) (http://s21.postimg.org/6rraiid8j/c05929u_960.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6rraiid8j/) (http://s21.postimg.org/dxj1kymbn/d05929u_960.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/dxj1kymbn/) (http://s21.postimg.org/4bph4nv5v/IMG_9843_1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4bph4nv5v/) (http://s21.postimg.org/l5uoa8z2b/o9_Cvv_Zybhe_Q.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/l5uoa8z2b/) (http://s21.postimg.org/ognmnvedf/wjhwihbh_Mt_Q.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ognmnvedf/)

Gearbox:
(http://s23.postimg.org/nx6jqvzdz/6f53dbu_960.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/nx6jqvzdz/) (http://s23.postimg.org/conrpcw6f/560beu_960.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/conrpcw6f/) (http://s23.postimg.org/6xxlbmo6f/2560beu_960.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6xxlbmo6f/) (http://s23.postimg.org/iobit0gyv/e560beu_960.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/iobit0gyv/)

Intake manifolds can be found, or put on the BMW M10 - it suited the top 3 bolts - will have to be customized or make an adapter.
http://www.drive2.ru/cars/moskvich/2141/2141/sni7/journal/4899916394579363970/

exhaust manifold and pipes can make the guys from Ukraine - they have a pattern.
http://www.dars-in.dp.ua/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=370&sid=7de8f2590ce3c0c8116fcb1ee67e88df&start=10

If you need my help with information, please contact me on my email.
With regards.

Title: Re: MOSKVITCH Rally
Post by: Edgar_mg on July 25, 2013, 08:26:34 am

The wheels have been used or modified steel, or ATS Classic  4*98 with LADA wheel adapter:
(http://s23.postimg.org/6spp7l8fb/2o_T1n_V_Dz_RE.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6spp7l8fb/) (http://s23.postimg.org/igjr24xk7/ay_YCE8_E5s_G8.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/igjr24xk7/) (http://s23.postimg.org/st61o7r3b/Hn_Nu8_ENmb_Hs.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/st61o7r3b/) (http://s23.postimg.org/u9hk6cu07/Tru_Ke0_Z3ze_A.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/u9hk6cu07/)
(http://s22.postimg.org/o7ezdgovh/8bc3c452cdcb.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/o7ezdgovh/)
(http://s21.postimg.org/b3brd5bpf/10092010079.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/b3brd5bpf/)

Title: Re: MOSKVITCH Rally
Post by: guy moerenhout on July 25, 2013, 10:22:48 am

hallo Edgar,many thanks  for this info and I think its the first time that I see this in a western site .I now Lada(never see one) had  this type of head  but did now from Moskvitch.
I find it good  but complicted  with the  adapter . I see that in Ukraine the make it in steeel like on the Lada . I alway use aluminium . Will speak with Motorman in Greece  for it

Title: Re: MOSKVITCH Rally
Post by: guy moerenhout on July 25, 2013, 10:31:48 am

you cane almost not believe what I found  from my BMW  time :two set intake manifold
So I need  only the adaptor plate
Is it possible to ask them our I must ask it.

Title: Re: MOSKVITCH Rally
Post by: Edgar_mg on July 25, 2013, 06:19:49 pm

Inlet flange of collectors drawing for UZAM-412:
(http://s13.postimg.org/vn7bknysj/8acb188s_960.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/vn7bknysj/)

split gear (vernier pulley) for UZAM-412:
(http://s9.postimg.org/do5pxaymz/bacb188s_960.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/do5pxaymz/)

For engines LADA has been done experimental DOHC cylinder heads: VFTS T16 & EVA, MTX, LSGA, UGC....
I can tell you about them, show photo.

Moskvitch Twincam - a very interesting thing, I can say that it is a descendant of OSCA 1500/1600 engine
http://www.drive2.ru/users/edgar-mg/blog/4899916394579191535/ - this is my blog, I compared these motors in article :)

but there is still a unique cylinder headы for Moskvich - 16v!
(http://s18.postimg.org/jvt3kua8l/a1f41u_960.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/jvt3kua8l/) (http://s18.postimg.org/9kc5eft5h/DSC04965.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/9kc5eft5h/) (http://s18.postimg.org/bnmkm3syd/DSC04966.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/bnmkm3syd/) (http://s18.postimg.org/smvj1d45x/DSC04968.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/smvj1d45x/)
her drawings have survived, and she was to begin to produce in Ukraine in autumn.

...and 20v!!!!!
(http://s23.postimg.org/bkdnh682v/142783236.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/bkdnh682v/) (http://s23.postimg.org/ru3tk2iqv/142783237.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ru3tk2iqv/)

Title: Re: MOSKVITCH Rally
Post by: guy moerenhout on July 26, 2013, 08:39:12 am

many thanks Edgar. Do you think it will come on market ?
I have one set off MTX wheels thatI wish to use on a 2105 car
Like  you can see under ,I work on this moment on OSCA engines
4 blocs

Title: Re: MOSKVITCH Rally
Post by: guy moerenhout on November 17, 2013, 04:38:26 pm

hallo Edgar,I can buy a 412  1972 ,you you think its ok to  build  that other  Rally 412 ? . Need  then painting because no red  412 where rallying (I think) Drive good but on gas  . So all must go out . Body is clean ,not perfect  .

Title: Re: MOSKVITCH Rally
Post by: Edgar_mg on November 18, 2013, 06:21:33 am

WOW!!! Excellent condition!!!!
Yes, AZLK  (Moskow) factory rally team did not use the red cars.
Moscow 412 rallycars were usually blue or yellow/beige  variations:
(http://s17.postimg.org/h1lq7v4nv/jn_CFd_Kdw_n4.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/h1lq7v4nv/) (http://s17.postimg.org/meaklzskb/k7s_OBf00_FPE.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/meaklzskb/) (http://s17.postimg.org/5f1m6qhcr/z_4e81bab0.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5f1m6qhcr/) (http://s17.postimg.org/mbm3leziz/z_beedfff3.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/mbm3leziz/)

Izhevsk rally-team sometimes used a red-orange color:
(http://s17.postimg.org/5bce48197/7_GSr7we_OS0_A.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5bce48197/) (http://s17.postimg.org/bb057vm1n/NLm01_I6f6_Gs.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/bb057vm1n/) (http://s17.postimg.org/6108dp84b/v_FDK0_O07k_s.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6108dp84b/)

Red cars were the private racers (non-professional racers)
(http://s10.postimg.org/iv07hxp4l/y_19dad5d7.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/iv07hxp4l/)