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131 fiat abarth works cars.
« on: October 11, 2005, 10:37:07 PM »
I see in a lot of  magazines or webpages :
for sale  ex works car  with a photo and sometimes I think they know what they wish to resell or what they are reselling .

I have now two real ex works cars (131) and one country car in our place and I see directly the difference what other persons say.

So my idea was to place this on this site so everbody can control it for himself.
Also one of the first things you must remember: if it is very nice and clean, all nice fender, all almost no signs of accident, all fit nice , then I think it's not a real (even with old abarth's) rally car.
All the rallycar were used till the end and then they were sold to country teams or club teams or remade to stradale versions and sold.
But here is the list. If there is something missing , like on safaricars , the moduls of ignition inside before the co-driver seat or the car krik (truck type inside right) I wish to know this .
I hope you enjoy this list !

(if you want to print, see the attached file)

FIAT ABARTH 131 -WORKS GROUP FOUR ALTERATIONS

BODYWORK
All Cars
•  Fully seam welded, gusseted and plated tub including:
•  Doubled lower front cross member
•  Plated front chassis legs
•  Plated & strengthened suspension mounting points
•  Bodyshell adapted for integral spots in air dam
•  No underseal
•  Interiors painted satin black
•  Strut brace across engine bay to specially fitted turret mounts
•  Twin Strut braces forward from specially fitted turret mounts to top of top front cross member
•  Full roll cage
•  Laminated Screen
•  Screen corner plates
•  Perspex door Windows
•   Perspex quarter lights with Fitted Mirrors
•  Perspex rear three quarter Windows
•  Perspex rear screen
•  Rear screen retaining plates
•  Lightweight bonnet (lighter layup with reduced inner frame) bonnet pins, and aluminium strut.
•  Cutaway hinges
•  Lightweight boot lid (lighter layup with reduced inner frame) rubber hold downs. Aluminium strut
•  Lightweight air dam (cutaway for spots) and rear valence (reduced thickness)
•  Aluminium door skins
•  Aluminium alloy sump guard (front valence drilled with three holes for quick release)

Forest Versions (RAC etc.)
•  Lightweight wing mouldings with standard width (narrow) wheel arches
•  Turret extensions - front and rear (from 10/77)
•  Front Brake ducts blanked off or removed
•  Rear Brake ducts blanked off or removed

"Hybrid" Versions (Portugal. San Remo etc.)
•  Lightweight wing mouldings with wide (100mm) wheel arches
•  Turret extensions - front and rear (from 10/77)
•  Front Brake ducting usually in place, but may be blanked off
•  Rear Brake ducting usually in place, but may be blanked off

Tarmac Lightweight Versions (Monte Carlo. Corsica etc.)
•  Lightweight wing mouldings with wide (100mm) wheel arches
•  No turret extensions (Short Travel suspension)
•  Full brake ducting (front & rear)
•  Lighter carbon reinforced body panels (from 1979 on?)
•  Lightweight Front Suspension components (reported fitted to TOV 33681 in 79)
•  Main Tub left in brown primer - (From 1980 on?)
•  Alternative Magnesium Clutch Bell housing on lightweight Tarmac cars (from 1979?)

Safari Versions
•  Lightweight wing mouldings with standard width (narrow) wheel arches
•  Turret extensions (front and rear)
•  Extra shell reinforcement, including...
•  doubled sill sections
•  often extra struts in boot space
•  Sill mounted Lifting/Towing loops
•  Brake ducting usually in place, but may be blanked off
•  Mounting for two spare wheels in space behind seats.

Other Variations/Upgrades
•  Alternative removable interior air ventilation covers on scuttle. Modified firewall (from 10/76)
•  Various types of strut brace for Carburetted version and Injected version (homologated 1/78, but probably fitted from inception)
•  Series 2 type bodyshell - Square Rear Lights (from 7/78)

LIGHTING
Original Spec
•  Small (5.75") twin front headlights
•  Standard Front indicators in air dam
•  Small rectangular indicator repeaters on front wing over arches
•  Extra 7" Carello Spots integral info Air Dam
Later Front Modifications (first type)
•  Larger 7" Carello spots replace inner small headlights
•  Outer small headlights retained but giving main and dip
•  Grill altered accordingly
•  Small round indicator repeaters mounted forward on front wing
Later Front Modifications (second type)
•  Additional free standing Carello 7" spots on air dam outboard of integral spots
•  Indicators replaced with small round (Altissimo) type
Altered (square type) rear lights (series 2 cars - from 7/78)

BRAKES - Front
•  300mmx20mm vented discs
•  10mm Wheel Spacers
•  Cooling ducts to discs on some cars (see Bodywork)
•  Forged Aluminium alloy ATE two pot calipers (Porsche 911 RS type) (from 4/1976)
•  Alternative Lockheed 4 pot alloy Calipers (from 7/76 - Abarth part #. 7024095/6)
•  Alternative Girling 4 pot alloy Calipers (from 7/76- Abarth part # 7024097/8)
•  (Query - some reports talk of Alternative 274mm x 20mm Vented discs for Forest work)

BRAKES - Rear
•  252mm x 20mm vented discs
•  10mm Wheel Spacers
•  Cooling ducts to discs on some cars (see Bodywork)
•  Forged Aluminium Alloy ATE two pot calipers (from 4/1976)
•  Abarth small drum type mechanical handbrake assembly (in bell of rear disc) - (from 4/1976)
•  Alternative separate mechanical handbrake caliper (from 7/76- Abarth Part # 7024136)
•  Separate Brembo hydraulic Handbrake calipers (from 7/76 - Abarth part # 7024099)
•  Modified Handbrake lever (square tubing type) for hydraulic handbrake (from 7/76)
•  Alternative 2 pot Caliper (from 8/77)
•  Alternative Hydraulic Handbrake lever - uses standard handbrake lever instead of fabrication (from 5/78)
•  In line hydraulic handbrake (from 10/81) - Modified Handbrake lever assembly to suit (square section fabricated lever, with extra reinforced mount for master cylinder)

BRAKES - General
•  All brake lines internal
•  All brake hoses armoured
•  No brake servo
•  Twin Master cylinders with separate reservoirs on bulkhead
•  Brake bias adjuster (first homologated 1/79 due to regulation change - probably fitted earlier)


STEERING
•  Quick ratio steering rack (2.85 turns lock to lock)
•  Steering damper
•  Front hub carriers with shortened and strengthened drop arm.
•  Strengthened track control rods (from 10/76)
•  Alternative even quicker racks available later (from 1979?)


SUSPENSION – Front
All Cars
•  Strengthened front cross member
•  Two main types of spring/strut combinations are listed
•   Both have reinforced strüt casings with fully adjustable Spring pans
•   Both have up rated springs (36% flexibility)
•  Both have up rated Bilstein dampers
•  Variations are colour coded as "black" and "blue"
•  Front hub carriers with shortened and strengthened drop arm.
•  Heavy duty (uprated 22mm) adjustable anti roll bar with Rose jointed anti roll bar drop links
•  Rubber sheet protection for lower mounts

Variations/Upgrades
•  Special spherical joint top mounts for struts (from 10/76)
•  Rose jointed lower front suspension arms with spherical joint for drag link (from 10/76)
•   Further Reinforced front Hub carriers - with brake caliper mounting strengthened and
     moved closer to axle centre line (from 10/76)
•  Forged steel front hubs (from 1/77 - Abarth part no 7023393)
•  Further Reinforced front Hub Carrier (from 8/77)
•  Alternative design Lower Front suspension arms and drag link (Vertical bolt mounting to arm rather
    than horizontal spherical joint through arm) (from 10/77)
•  Strengthened drag links for alternative type front suspension - one piece rear section, with single
    rose joint front mount (from 5/78)
•  Progressive Springs listed for Africa (from 1979?)
•  Rebound straps fitted to front struts (from 4/80)
•  Reinforced Front Strut assemblies - both long & short travel (from 7/80)

SUSPENSION - Rear
All Cars
•  Two main types of spring/strut combinations are listed
•   Both have reinforced strut casings with fully adjustable Spring pans
•   Both have up rated springs (40% flexibility)
•   Both have up rated Bilstein dampers
•   Variations are colour coded as "black" and "blue"
•  Adjustable Anti Roll bar with rose jointed drop links
•  Rubber sheet protection for lower mounts Variations/Upgrades
•  Special spherical joint top mounts for struts (from 10/76)
•  Rose jointed rear lower wishbones (from 10/76)
•  Rose jointed rear tie rods (from 10/76)
•  Reinforced rear Hub Carrier (from 8/77)
•  Modified rear lower wishbones with protection for outer ball joint (from 10/78)
•  Progressive Springs listed for Africa (from 1979?)
•  Rebound straps fitted to rear struts (from 7/79)
•  Alternative extra reinforced Rear Hub Carrier - long mounting for strut
    (from 4/80 - Abarth part # 7028752)
•  Reinforced Rear Strut assemblies - both long & short travel (from 7/80)
•  Further Reinforced Rear wishbone assemblies - extra plating around spherical joint mounts
    (from 1/81)



REAR AXLE
All cars
•  Abarth/ZF Limited Slip Diff
•  Alternative Diff Ratios
•  Uprated (Strengthened) Output Shafts
•  Uprated (Strengthened) Drive Shafts
•  Reinforced Diff Mounting Crossmember
•  Uprated Diff mounting dampers
Variations/Upgrades
•  Rubber underbody protection tor drive shaft joints (on gravel/rough events)
•  Diff Skid plate replaces Alloy Sump (from 7/76)
•  Magnesium Diff casing
•  Strengthened Limited Slip Diff Assembly - requires modified casing? (from 1979?)
•  Further Strengthened Diff Mounting Crossmember with three round holes rather than triangular
    lightening openings (from1/81 )

LIGHTING / ELECTRICS
All cars
•  Altered loom
•   Glassfibre protective covers over cabling in cockpit
•  Belt driven high load alternator (12v, 1000W)
•  High Speed Windscreen Wiper Motor (80 bpm)
•  Heavy Duty Starter Motor
•  Twin Electric Fuel Pumps in boot
•  Battery in boot
•  Modified Dash
•  Two way radio

Variations/Upgrades
•  Strengthened alternator mount (for rough stages)
•  Alternative pantograph type Windscreen Wiper arm on drivers side with high flow washers.
•  Twin Battery system in boot - second battery for night work (from 1/79)
•  Alternative Second version Dash - with 5 Dials only (from 10/79)

INTERIOR
All cars
•  Glassfibre protective covers over cabling in cockpit
•  Modified Dash
•  Modified dash cover
•  Modified door covers
•  Abarth Seats
   (Co-drivers seat has no head rest to allow quick access to spare wheels carried behind seats)
•  No Carpets
•  Drilled Alloy Throttle pedal face plate
•  Modified Gearbox tunnel cover (from 7/76)
•  Haldas on RHS of dash
•  Twin stop watches in casing to Left of Haldas
•  Dash mounted Fuses and relays
•  Lucas map light
•  Fire extinguisher in mounting behind co driver
•  Drivers Alloy footrest to left of cluteh pedal
•  Co drivers alloy footrest

Variations/Upgrades
•  Safari cars had mounting for two spare wheels in space behind seats
•  Alternative Second version Dash - with 5 Dials only (from 10/79)
•  Halda Rally Computer replaces mechanical trip (from 1981 ?)


WHEELS & TYRES

All cars
•  10mm alloy wheel spacers
•  Steel wheel studs with rolled threads (instead of bolt type fixing)

Tarmac
•  Early cars      9J(?) x 15 one piece Magnesium wheels (Campagnolo ??)

•  Later cars
- Front Dry   
10J x 15 Abarth Cromadora Two piece Magnesium wheels
250/40 x 15  Pirelli P7 Corsa Slicks

- Rear Dry   
11J x 15 Abarth Cromadora Two piece Magnesium wheels
295/35 x 15 Pirelli P7 Corsa Slicks

- Front Wet   
8J x 15 Abarth Cromadora Two piece Magnesium wheels
225/45 x 15 Pirelli P7 Corsa Hand Cut Slicks

- Rear Wet   
10J x 15 Abarth Cromadora Two piece Magnesium wheels
250/40 x 15 Pirelli P7 Corsa Hand Cut Slicks

Forest
7" x 15" one piece Cromadora one piece Magnesium wheels
185/70 VR15 Pirelli M&S 35

Safari
- Front      5" x 15" one piece Cromadora one piece Magnesium wheels
- Rear       7" x 15" one piece Cromadora one piece Magnesium wheels

Ice      (5"?) x 15" Abarth Cromadora two piece Magnesium wheels


GEARBOX / TRANSMISSION

•  Early cars reportedly used straight cut close ration dog engagement gearboxes with Colotti
   manufactured internals in possibly two types
•  Type 209 - Built up layshaft giving optional ratios - Overdrive top
•  Possibly Type 247 - reportedly with built up layshaft giving optional ratios - Direct drive top
•  Another variation is straight cut close ratio dog engagement gearbox with built up layshaft,
   direct drive top, of unknown manufacture
•  Later cars used straight cut close ratio dog engagement gearboxes with CIMA manufactured
    internals - At least three known variations:
•  Direct Drive Top (Abarth Type 168)
•  0.802 Overdrive Top (Abarth Type 163)0.876 Overdrive Top (Abarth Type 164)
•  (Abarth type 165 is also listed but spec unknown at this time - unless this is same as 168)
•  CIMA gearboxes used different gearchange mechanism requiring modified glassfibre gearbox
    tunnel cover (homologated ,in 7/76)
•  Alternative Gearbox tail Units (homologated from 7/76)
•  All cars had alloy protection housing for Propshaft coupling
•  All cars used competition clutch assembly with sintered clutch plates
•  Alternative Magnesium Clutch Bell housing on lightweight Tarmac cars (from 10/80)


ENGINE

Early Wet Sump Carburettor version
As Standard but:
• Abarth Block
•  All inner surfaces fettled smooth
•  Parallel decked & surfaced
•  Parallel bored & plateau honed
•  Forged Steel rods, centred, lightened, balanced and shot peened
•  Crank balanced, tuftrided & nitrided - modified oilways with key holed journals.
•  Lightened & balanced flywheel (7.3kg) Dowelled on crank
•  Forged pistons
•  10.7 to 1 Compression Ratio
•  High lift and duration cams
•  Vernier Cam followers
•  Larger Valves (35.5mm Inlet, 30mm Exhaust) (34.5/28.5 are also listed)
•  Modified cylinder head
•  Balanced combustion chambers
•  Gas flowed ports
•  Three angle valve seats
•  Modified oil galleries
•  Modified water galleries
•  Dowelled to block
•  Heavy duty head gasket
•  Twin 48 IDF carbs
•  Steel "Big Wing" internally baffled wet sump
•  Heavy Duty oil pump with shortened pickup
•  Modified Jackshaft
•  Smaller Jackshaft drive wheel
•  Remote mounted oil filter
• Toothed belt driven Water Pump and Alternator
•  Alloy Reinforcement housings for engine mounts

Early Injected version - 215bhp at 7000rpm. 225nm at 5600rpm
•  Kugelfischer Pump driven by toothed belt off crank - mounted on plate to LHS Of engine
•  Butterfly throttle assembly, with injectors mounted in separate trumpets

Early Dry Sump Injected version - 230bhp at 7500rpm, 225nm at 5750 (available from 7/77}
•  11 to 1 Compression Ratio
•  Magnesium Dry Sump pan
•  Two stage Dry Sump pump (separate from Filter unit)
•  15 litre tank in boot
•  Oil filler on exhaust cam box cover lockwired shut.

Later Upgrades
•  Lighter flywheel - 7.3kg (from 1/77)
•  Alternative Stronger Crank - 43lbs not 36lbs (from 4/77)
•  Slide throttle Injection system replaces Butterfly throttle system (From 77 - introduced at San Remo)
•  Transistorised Ignition pack replaces Mechanical advance distributor (from )
    Ignition pack on Left front inner wing
•  Modified Unit Construction Dry Sump Pump assembly replaces separate unit (from 7/78)
•  Alternative Injection manifold available with injectors mounted in one piece airbox
   (for dusty conditions)
•  Tarmac engine version with higher lift and duration cams, higher Compression ratio (11.5 to 1) 235bhp (from 1979?)
•  No oil filler on exhaust cam box cover on later engines (#302)
•  Alternative smaller (8kg) dry sump tank in left rear of boot space (from 10/80)



Exhaust
•  Four into two into one manifold
•  Twin pipe assembly under floor
•   Alternative unsilenced exhaust exiting at side (for racing only)
•  Quick release connections (from 1979?)
•  Specially cast flanges for mounting exhaust to head (from 1979?)

Fuel Svstem
•  Aluminium Fuel tank with internal Bag – 60 Litres
•  Large exterior fuel Tank Filler recessed into cutaway boot lid
   (first homologated 1/79 due to regulation change - fitted from earliest cars)
    Filler in RH "C" pillar blanked off
•  Twin electric fuel pumps in boot
•  Fuel swirl pot in boot
•  Fuel lines through cockpit

Oil Svstem
- Early cars
•  "Big Wing" internally baffled wet sump pan
•  Increased capacity oil pump with shortened piek up
•  Smaller Jackshaft belt drive wheel
•  Oil Cooler (to Left of Radiator)
•  Remote Oil Filter assembly
•   Modified oil breather
•  Oil breather catch tank on LH front inner wing

- Variations/Upgrades
•  Dry Sump Kit including
• Magnesium Dry Sump
• Dry Sump pump
•  15 litre dry Sump tank in boot
•  Modified Unit Construction Dry Sump Pump assembly replaces separate unit (from 7/78)
Integral oil filter
•  Oil breather catch tank moved to RH front inner wing (at same time as Transistorised Injection pack fitted to LH front inner wing)
•  Alternative 8kg dry sump tank in left rear of boot space (from 10/80)

Cooling
•  Toothed Belt driven Water pump Oil Svstem
•  Modified thermostat
•  Expansion Tank on RH front inner wing
Ignition
Early Cars
•  Breakerless Mechanical Advance Distributor
•  Uprated Coil on Rear of RH inner front wing
Later cars
•  Breakerless Fixed Advance Distributor
•  Transistorised Ignition pack on LH inner front wing


CLICK ON THE ATTACHED FILE TO OPEN THE .PDF FILE, TO HAVE A HARD COPY
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Re: 131 fiat abarth works cars.
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2005, 03:19:21 PM »
Dear Guy,

Fantastic initiative!! I was just on the phone with a seller of a gr4 who told me of a fake gr4 that was sold to Spain for 90k. I assume you know this car as well. Apart from whether this is true, it proves your point in sharing with others what the differences are.

But I cannot read the info since the files are too small. Could you save them in a higher resolution??

Regards, Peter

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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2005, 03:53:17 PM »
Ahh, thanks!!
I am in the process of buying a 131 stradale. But sometimes I am amazed how different a works car is from the stradale. It seems that you better start with a normal 2door body if you want to build a rally car. But I am a bit afraid for the final costs of such a project.

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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2005, 04:23:57 PM »
they are two different cars and  I think they did not made more then 50/60 cars .in gr 4 version
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Re: 131 fiat abarth works cars.
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2005, 08:24:43 PM »
hello all,

here there is a person who built a grp 4 replica onb the basis of a stradale with all the bits and pieces. his asking price is aropund 50k euros...

you can see the car standing in a workshop on   http://www.autodelta.ch/catalog.aspx

looking forward to see the list in pdf format..

guy, do we know what you are selling your 131 s for ?

cheers

peter from switzerland

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Re: 131 fiat abarth works cars.
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2005, 08:37:39 PM »
Peter, I cannot see Guy's list with differences very good, but I am quite sure that 'all the bits and pieces' are not obtainable for 50k. I have spoken to some genuine 131 gp4 owners now and I really believe there is not much in common between a stradale and a gr4. Maybe somebody can answer this: a stradale was made from a bare 2door shell from the production line. A gr4 is not made from a stradale, but also from a bare 2d from the production line. Meaning they do not have to have anything in common apart from the basic shell. Is that correct.

And Guy, could you update us indeed on the price level for your cars?

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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2005, 01:33:53 PM »
the south afrika car is a mix from Fiat South Afrika factory and BMW  South Afrika (the where the same)  The body is from Fiat Italy  with a Safari kit on ,very nice done .All suspention parts are mostly  Abarth gr4 Rear axle BMW ,Engine Abarth  16 V carb.gearbox 131 abarth, dashbord gr 4 ,right hand drive,Car was use for rally and exihibistions,Rollcage and two original  gr 4 tarmac rallyseats Price is now 44000 euro  In south Afrika there where tree of this cars .,one was fitted with the fiat 130 engine and had in the begin the boble in bonnet in the midle ,but the car diddend stop and the change to 16 valve  131 engine
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Re: 131 fiat abarth works cars.
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2005, 06:17:18 PM »
I modified Guy's first post with the complete specifacations, including a .pdf-file (thanks to Peter Naegeli).
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2005, 09:56:59 PM »
I must thanks Erwin and Peter and I am happy to see it  on this magazine ,some persones will not like this but Its my Forum .Nex will be the 124 gr 4 abarth and will give even more respons because the are more cars on the earth that Fiat Abarth Corse even made .OK ,I make also gr 4 our Abarth  but I say always that it a remake our rebody(when it is so) and I dont resale our say its a real(what is this ???????????)The most imported thing is that you have fun in your live,the rest must do what the wish to do our say  (some thinking of me ,sorry)
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2005, 09:48:54 AM »
Guy, CHAPEAU!!
Really fantastic that you are open in this. Especially for a car with its origins in Italy this is quite rare. Italians like a bit of smoke around their projects. Which is a compliment as well. That is why we like them and their products! A real joy. But I have to say that getting information about a competition porsche or rallye audi is very straightforward. Public records with chassis numbers everywhere.

Thanks!
Peter

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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2005, 11:27:50 AM »
I have driven 4 years in a 911   1965    2 years legal and have nice  results  (5 and 5 in international championship G.B ) and than come to Belguim and if you did have a 2700 instad of the 2000 cc ,the where always( sory ,not always ) faster  So you must go the same way and than it was 50% brooks our winning.It was a nice car
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2007, 08:10:55 PM »
Hello:)
Can someone tell me the difference between an 131 rally, and an 131 Stradale?  I have 2 131 2 doors chassie and want to built me an replica. One of them are an 1980 racing and the other is an 1977 131 1300. The Racing chassie have a lot of rust, so i think the easiest way is to use the 77 1300.... The racing chassie have the rally replice fenders with trunk and hood.

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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2007, 10:04:37 PM »
131 RALLY= 131 STRADALE
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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2007, 02:25:22 PM »
Hi Guy, welcome back! i hope your 'revision' went well!!

Question about the list of modifications: '10mm wheel spacers with studs instead of bolts'. I noticed I have these on my stradale as well. So that should not be standard? Another thing I noticed was that I have the possibility to fit a second pair of calipers on the rear uprights. For the hydraulic hand brake of course. Is that on all stradales?

Then I told you I broke a rear driveshaft. I measured the shaft, 25-26mm diameter on the smallest part, but what I did not understand is why there are two spacer rings going over the (long) splines. These will be between the 'colar' of the shaft and the inner part of the CV-joint and are both 2cm wide. Like the shaft had to be lengthened 4cm. Would you know whether that was for homologation reasons?

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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2007, 01:32:18 PM »
all stradale had spacers on rear like this not on front
On our place  ,you can buy :
Fiat 131 Abarth gr 4   ex factory
Fiat 131 Abarth  Rally
Fiat  131 Abarth Remake gr 4
Fiat  131 Rally  Remake
Fiat  131 Racing
Fiat  131 Diesel abarth (remake)
Fiat   131 Abarth Rally Service
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Re: 131 fiat abarth works cars.
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2007, 03:40:35 PM »
specification update with design .This is a original abarth leaflet
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Re: 131 fiat abarth works cars.
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2007, 09:31:39 PM »
Wow Guy, this is cool!!

I have not been too busy with my red abarth lately. But this triggers me again! One thing I need urgently is an exhaust system. Preferably one that is a bit quieter than what I have now. I noticed the exhaust in the document you just posted has no middle damper. Would a stradale have that?

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Re: 131 fiat abarth works cars.
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2007, 10:03:54 PM »
normale not ,but because whe will build it in house it possible to ad one .The 124 abarth version is also no middle demper and it is not so noisy
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Re: 131 fiat abarth works cars.
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2007, 11:37:53 PM »
So originally there is no middle damper? If so, it would probably be best to go for a better rear damper then. There is a huge difference in noise between my red one and the blue one you have there. Maybe it is the 185bhp that makes it noisy?

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Re: 131 fiat abarth works cars.
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2007, 08:41:10 AM »
I think so to
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