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Offline SCWUSA

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Which model Abarth Simca is this ?
« on: November 09, 2004, 06:33:54 AM »
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I took these pics of this gorgeous Abarth Simca at The Best of France and Italy in Van Nuys California on Sunday.

I am not familar with this particular model. Is anyone here ?

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Steven

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Which model Abarth Simca is this ?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2004, 10:34:02 PM »
dear scw, this a good question....the best i found in the FAZA graphic guide is the 1964 abarth 1000 bialbero GT longnose serie II; but still if this is so, some one changed the tilt nose (polyester) to make it look a little like a 2mila shortnose...i will watch this topic to see if anyone  has more info.c u.

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Abarth Simca? Bialbero?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2004, 02:38:08 PM »
I doubt this Abarth is a Simca Abarth 1300 or 2000.
1   It lacks the air-inlets just behind the rearmost side-windows, which is a feature on most of the ducktail style Simca Abarths.
2   I believe all Abarth Simca ducktails have the exhaust hanging partly through the rear panel. They have a support frame on the rear panel which attaches the exhaust to the rear panel. I believe Bialberos have the exhaust hanging under the rear panel (like the car in the picture) in stead of through the rear panel.
3   It is hard to see but I think I recognize the Fiat 600 style engine support in the centre of the engine bay. This is also a Bialbero feature. The Simcas used different supports for the engine.

I am a little puzzled by the rear fenders, which do look like Simca Abarth style. I thought the Bialbero had round rear fender flares and the Simcas had round fender flares with a flat edge at the top. But maybe this feature is just a difference in early or late body types and both types of fenders were used on the Simca Abarth as well as the Bialbero????

Steven, do you have any more pictures of this car? If you have a picture from the back and/or engine bay, we can see if it has one large oil sump, which is a feature of a Bialbero or two small oil sumps which is a feature of the Abarth Simca.

Just like “naegeli”, my guess is, that this is a Bialbero (or even a Monomille with a modified front).
The front end sure looks strange. I don’t think this is genuine Abarth,
If you ask me the “nose” is too wide and the covered lights and inlets are not the correct shape for a Bialbero or Simca Abarth. Another stange thing is the cavity in the front end near the windscreen and the fact that the front end seems to be in one piece; I don’t see any latches.
The owner probably lacked the original front and constructed a new front end for the car. I can imagine it is hard to find good reference for an accurate replica Bialbero nose in the States?

Alex

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Offline Alex van de Wetering

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Which model Abarth Simca is this ?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2004, 02:45:22 PM »
Oeps,

Here are the sources where I found the pictures:

Picture1     www.race-cars.com [nofollow]

Picture2     www.passionautomobile.com [nofollow]

Picture3     http://digilander.libero.it/scolopendra/sito/galleria/abarthsimca2000.htm [nofollow]

Picture4     http://www.ies-geneve.ch/2000gt/Abarth/Bialbero.html [nofollow]


Alex

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2004, 01:52:39 PM »
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Re: "Simca" Abarth
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2004, 08:34:54 PM »
This car is NOT a Simca Abarth. It is an Abarth 1000gt Bialbero (Fiat 600-based platform). The nose looks different because, according to the owner, this is a short-nose prototype car. The rubber T-straps that hold down the 1-piece front end are located near the lower sills (behind front wheels - in front of front/lower corner of doors), just barely visible in your photos. This particular car is owned by Merkel Weiss of Sun Valley, CA, USA.

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Jeff Stich
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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2004, 11:04:34 PM »
the short nose (flip type) was in aluminium and the long type was in polyester/glasfiber  ;I have this type in stock and it can be fitted on a bialbero our monomille. :idea:  :idea:  :idea:
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