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Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« on: March 18, 2012, 11:01:34 AM »
Fred  Winkel start this nice  remake project in Holland  . Have a look
http://forum.abarth-gmr.be/index.php?topic=4196.0

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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2012, 07:04:50 AM »
Hello Fred,

Thank you for the great series of photos of your progress, and it is a lot of work.
I am glad you find the time and effort to share your experience with others.

I expect you will find the 1600 OT a very different machine from the OT 1000 berlina you use in DART etc. racing, even while that looks a very well sorted vehicle itself. I have had a look at it on some websites, although my lack of Dutch language skills leaves me to interpret what is being said; the photos there are good.

I note on another website that in your 1600 OT replica you are using a 105TC motor with a Porsch 914 transmission. In one photo there, and partially seen in DSC3564 on this website, your adaptor plate looks like a PBS 124 / VW adaptor ring. If it is not a PBS one and is from some other manufacturer, would you please indicate if such a source is currently available ?

Thank you for posting the full version of the "see through" illustration of the 1600 OT Berlina, it helps explain detail in a number of photos of various cars.

In answer to your question, I am not building a similar 1600 OT car though I have assisted an friend while he has built both a OT 2000 Coupe (a number of years ago), and a OT 2000 Berlina  (in progress), with 5 speed, and 4 speed VW Beetle transmissions respectively. In both cases a heavy duty version of the 1300/124/850 sling has been used for motor support, hence my interest last week in the chassis reinforcing to engine bay sides to support your motor in manner as per the original.

Photos attached show the current state of body work of the berlina...a 1995cc Fiat twincam is installed.
An interesting task was the fabrication of the replica front grille, quite a challenge in metal shaping for an artisan, the grille mesh itself has still to be made. Some photos show the mule front panel, the drawing of the grille frame profile on that panel, and the grille framework as then fabricated.

My own interest has been more in variants of the pushrod 124 motors in 850s using the engine sling method along with Abarth / PBS bellhousings mated to 850 based transmissions. The last photo shows a 1995cc 132 pushrod (ex Campagnola or ex 242E commercial) with a PBS bellhousing in the background. The 1995cc motors, having the same crank / cam spacing as the 124 pushrod are easily reversed in their rotation to use 850 based transmissions.

I look forward to watching your progress, and thanks again for the information.
   
Regards,  Trevor

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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2012, 09:11:32 PM »
Hello Fred,
Thanks for the further photos of your progress, and to the authenticity of detail eg door / handle type.
The owner of the OT 2000 Berlina replica in my photo prefers to remain anonymous, but is a Fiat Abarth fan like me. We indulge our hobby ourselves some four decades after we were unable to do so in our youth.
About adaptor rings  for Fiat twincams / Porsche transaxles,  yesterday I identified a current source,     (Jason Miller of)  Miller's Mule Machine and Design of Katy Texas USA   www.millersmule.com  who supplies a very useful range of machine parts for twincam Fiats and some other makes. The product listing includes the adapter ring, and also a full conversion kit eg flywheel/clutch/starter/adaptor/transaxle/hardware.
Enjoy your weekend in the workshop.

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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2012, 12:49:55 AM »
Hi
There is also a guy in Australia (Queensland) that makes up all kinds of adaptors to fit VW gearboxes not sure if he can do one for Porsche.
He makes them to suit Fiat twin cam engines see website for complete package details www.volksconversions.com.au/ [nofollow]
I understand his work is very good.

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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2012, 08:47:45 PM »
Very nice job!!! :)
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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2012, 03:06:17 PM »
Hi Guy. Just looking at the post about Fred Abarth's dual brake cylinder
conversion. Tried to leave a comment but I'm not good with computers! Could
you tell him that he needs to make a pivot for the lateral black bar which
pushes on the two cylinders as they always travel slightly different
distances. If not it will bend the pushrod
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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2012, 09:25:12 AM »
Wow that looks good and  fast too. Perhaps you should offer him a job Guy!
Just make sure there's plenty of clearance at the back of each clevis because the bar will sometimes twist 20 or 30 degrees.....
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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2012, 08:15:50 PM »
Nice work Fred ,you can do it  in our place also one in your holyday
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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2012, 08:21:48 PM »
Nice work Fred ,you can do it  in our place also one in your holyday

Hi Guy, That is an option, but I've got still al lot to do!!! I want the paint on the car at the and of the summer!!!

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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2012, 11:32:04 AM »
welding is possible . Whe do it also .
You can turn both side  off in a point and welding togheter. After this  you can also turn it off on machine  ,take  a tube over and weld tube on two sides.
Abarth make this even and the 131 gr 4 cars to make cardans  stronger
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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2012, 05:07:50 PM »
WOW, really nice! :)
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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2012, 10:53:49 AM »
Hi Fred
Great work..keep it up
Can you lel me know the length of each axel?
Renato

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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2012, 11:20:10 AM »
I think you must mesure this on your car .
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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2012, 09:57:45 AM »
better than Abarth did  ? great job
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Re: Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2012, 09:47:23 AM »
Thanks, Guy!!
I'll do my best!