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Offline kikolemus

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Fiat 600 or Abarth 750 Berlina on eBay
« on: February 21, 2012, 12:18:53 pm »
Has everyone seen this car? It almost looks like a find but I am not certain. What is do you think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-Fiat-Abarth-750-Restoration-No-Motor-/170785701575?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27c39efec7 [nofollow]



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Re: Fiat 600 or Abarth 750 Berlina on eBay
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2012, 10:41:35 am »
It's not a real Abarth 750 Berlina by any means, it just a rusted-out 600 with a few Abarth items stuck onto it (some incorrect).

  It's unbelievable how people can miss even the simplest of clues on cars like this. Do buyers these days not do any homework (research) on the car they're buying? And who pays $3800+ for THIS crap???

A few notables:
  The front grille may be real (it has correct mesh pattern & surround shape, unlike the repro's), but it might be one of the plastic replicas that were available back in the late 1990's. Hard to tell because it's painted gray & held onto the car with 3 sheetmetal screws (ha). The front whiskers are all standard 600; the 2 large center whiskers should be different/larger on a 750. No "fiat" script above the grille. No 750 swallow-wings hood ornament (nor the holes for it). Front fender emblems & scripts are wrong; it actually has a large REAR script & a late 750GT (Zagato Double-Bubble) side emblem there on each side, instead. Besides being for a different car, the 750GT emblems are also 1959/60-on, post-dating this "1958" Berlina.

  Dashboard has no hole/cutout for small Jaeger tachometer, & 70mph speedo is standard 600 (750 speedo has a higher mph rating). Steering wheel is late Fiat 124 Spider. No small Abarth shield emblem or script on right side of dash (nor holes for/from them). Stock 600 wheels/hubcaps, not 7-vent 750 type with spinner hubcaps.

  It looks like there's a 4-into-2 type exhaust manifold & muffler still mounted, might be Abarth or Nardi (or aftermarket)? No engine? The front nose of the trans looks odd, more like a 600D (ie: no small brake drum visible). The poor photos don't help much...

  The MOST OBVIOUS item (to me) is the aged black/silver Abarth ID tag that's riveted onto the muffler-shield body panel, as shown here:



  750 Berlina's didn't officially have this tag, & if it did, the tag was normally affixed with screws, not rivets (ala 850TC, 750GT, Record Monza, etc.). Though the stamped letters/numbers are fairly illegible in the photo, the seller notes that the ID tag reads:

Tipo 600 - 750B
No. Telaio 100 - 658235
No. Motore 100GBC-040


  The stamped number "100GBC-040" refers to an engine type, but it should be the actual serial number of the 750 engine, instead. On top of that, "100GBC.040" is the engine type code for a 1970-on USA-version Fiat 850 903cc engine, an engine which didn't yet exist when the 750 Berlinas were made back in the late 1950's. But Abarth supposedly stamped this plate back in 1958???

Shame on the seller for misrepresenting this car, but even more shame on the person(s) paying top dollar for it. :(

Jeff Stich
Norco, CA, USA

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Re: Fiat 600 or Abarth 750 Berlina on eBay
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2012, 11:27:17 am »
some photos from seller
Abarth & Friends meeting, 18-19.05.2013 | http://2013.abarth-gmr.be

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Re: Fiat 600 or Abarth 750 Berlina on eBay
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2012, 05:15:45 pm »
Good work Jeff,I hope the bidder/s see this thread.

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Re: Fiat 600 or Abarth 750 Berlina on eBay
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2012, 06:38:36 pm »
Sold

Item Location:   Fort Lauderdale, United States
Ended:   Feb 27, 201209:27:39 PST
Bid history:   17 bids
Winning bid:   US $3,840.00

and some description to keep it in archive ;)

 1958 Fiat Abarth 750.   I don't know much about this little beauty.  Looking on the internet I've found few for as much as $40.000.00 It belongs to a family member and asked me for help selling it.  The pictures will give you the best description about it than I can.  It has some rust which would be very natural for a car this old.  It's missing the engine, however the transmission is not missing.  From the looks of it, I would imagine it's a restoration project or for parts.   Any question feel free to contact me.

Fabio

On Feb-20-12 at 19:53:52 PST, seller added the following information:



 Looking better at it:

Structurally it seems solid. No rust on the frame itself
The floor pan has rust, looks like it was repaired before. As right now the photo show what it looks like.
Driver side "door" is in OK condition, has little rust damage. Please view photo
Front Trunk ..  It's not rusted, looks pretty good. On the photo what may look like rust, it's leaves and dirt.  The structure of the car seems solid.  Please look at the pictures which show the suspension arms.
Anyquestions let me know.



On Feb-21-12 at 17:32:07 PST, seller added the following information:


I took a good look at the Car / Chassis information: Tipo 600 - 750B Telaio 100 - 658235 Motor 100GBC-040
Abarth & Friends meeting, 18-19.05.2013 | http://2013.abarth-gmr.be

 

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