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momomille and bialbero remakes
« on: January 01, 2006, 06:25:27 PM »
this is one of my finshcars ,they are now in belgium ,france and japan
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Re: momomille and bialbero remakes
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2007, 03:37:01 PM »
this  will be the nex project  ,it will have a original aluminium flip short  nose(I have long nose in glasfiber to) big wings and I will fit a original bialbero engine
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Re: momomille and bialbero remakes
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2007, 05:10:25 PM »
Nice idea,just dont call it an ABARTH,or Monomille or Bialbero like one of the mentioned owners.Abarths were built by Abarth,and only.Grant Gauld

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Re: momomille and bialbero remakes
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2007, 09:44:41 PM »
My first idea was Not to respond to this but I was thinking long time on it and I received some demands about this, so I do it .

First, long time in racing the rules were : when is a car OK for racing in FIA :
when it had 70 % real parts (our periodic parts)
this can be all parts engine gearbox ,wheels ,brake etc .

Now : when a car is made in  the spirit from the time and the same specifications even without the same engine (must be same manufacture)

Also everyone on this forum, I hope have it good will with abarth and deriveds and are not thinking on jalousy .
Our first thing is that abarth is still living. If it is now with a small remake of a 695 or 1000 tc or other more expencive models.
If we don't have the persons that are in love with the abarth cars whitin some years,  we don't find them anymore .

Also I must say that this is My forum and I can say that I don't like that someone else says something about other members on this forum.
This is now the second time and I hope the last time. If not, the place is somewhere else .
I try to help, send all info and give free advise to my forum readers.

If you're not happy with this, better leave this forum .
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Re: momomille and bialbero remakes
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2007, 06:36:03 AM »
The topic of "continuation," "replica," "remake," or whatever you want to call them cars has been discussed in the motoring press at length, and everyone has their own opinion.  I believe Aston Martin has made some "continuation" DB Zagatos.  Carroll Shelby will make you an "original" Cobra any time you give him the money to do so. Are those cars "real"?  People seem to have different opinions.  I believe there are people in the UK making C and D Jags on the same bucks as the originals, but those aren't "real" because they don't have the Jaguar name on them.  So if the company still exists and wants to associate itself with the production of a car, then it's "real," and if not, then it's not real?

There are some awful replicas that make no attempt to be in the spirit of the original-- in the 1960's here in the states we you could get a fiberglass body kit that looked sort of like a Ferrari to put on a Volkswagen Beetle chassis.  We are not discussing those here.

Personally, I think that because they were so rare, the Abarth 1000 bialbero / monomille is a perfect example of a car that is totally acceptable to build a remake of.   How many of the covered headlight, ducktail rear cars exist?  About a dozen?  How many people would love to have one?  About 1000?  What does a real one cost?  The only one I know of for sale is 200,000 Euros.  So if Guy makes it possible for those some of those other people to have a car that looks and drives almost exactly like the real one, I think that's a good thing.

Here in the US the Cobra is a very commonly "replicated" car.  So much so that when you see one you assume it's a replica unless it's at the Monterey Historics or something.  Have all those thousands of replicas detracted from the appeal of a real one?  No-- on the contrary they keep the enthusiasm alive for the car.  If no replicas had ever been made the young people of today wouldn't know or care about Cobras.

I know things are different in Europe, but here in the States Abarth is a dead marque.  A few real car enthusiasts have heard the name, but few know anything about them.  When my 1000 TC replica gets here it will be one of maybe ten in the country, and I hope to take it to the Concorso Italiano to let people see it.

The important thing to keep a marque alive is to keep cars on the road and at track and hillclimb events where people can see them. That's where a young person sees a great looking and sounding car and asks, "What's that?"  Do you think many young people travel to the Pont and Aumueller collections?  Only people who already love the cars go there.

So anything we do to keep the cars in the public eye is a good thing.  If it has a fiberglass body instead of alloy, so what?

So if having the cars on the road is a good thing, the only question is what they should be called.  Should Guy call them Morenhouts?  It would be accurate, since that's who actually made them, or ordered them to be made. (Enzo Ferrari did not design or physically build the cars that carried his name--he just paid the men who did so.)  If Guy's remakes said "Morenhout"on them he couldn't be criticized for calling them Abarths.  But isn't it better to give the credit to Karl Abarth, the originator of the concept ? 

Guy is not claiming these cars are originals--they are remakes, and everyone knows it.  And I think all Abarth enthusiasts benefit from his efforts.



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Re: momomille and bialbero remakes
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2007, 05:05:15 PM »
I think that these projects are a good idea. The real ones have always been hard to find and expensive even when new.
I see no problem if they are built in the spirit of  the originals and with the original type of parts. The majority of original cars are now owned by collectors with many examples and/or museums so the chances of acquiring one nowadays is less. Any younger generation don't have a hope, there is interest as witness the interest in Abarthising 600's and Zastavas. The industry in the associated parts. It can only be good. Lets see more cars!
Seeing  the rarer models  in use is less, even those collectors who bring several  cars out to events, still  leaves many cars sitting unused and un -seen. Many are with collections around the world. I want to go to events in UK and Europe and see cars race or being driven enthusiastically up a hill somewhere! In the UK in the period they were current these racing models were scarce, only a few being owned by garage owners or wealthy enthusiasts like Paul  Pycroft (Simca Duemila), the Ansteads of Radbourne,  or hillclimbed like Gerry Tzyack (2l Periscopio)or  R.Pilkington. I only recall a few bialberos - Nigel Moores, and Shawspeed. and one 1000sp racing. They were scarce.
I have at various times found and owned Simca 1300, Monomille, Fiat-Ab 2200 spider, and engines,. Frankly they are worth too much money to have  around unless you are wealthy. Having a remake would be a good idea.
As Jim sayes there have been many replicas made in the UK, those he mentions and also many Bugattis, Alfas, MG's, Lotus and others. Often cars being split up to make more than one "original -assembled from spares!". I know of one C type remade from a cylinder head! Original????I think it happens all over the world, there seems no objection in some circles depending on who is involved and the value of the car. Often these are appearing as restored originals, which is not the case here. In the UK in period time you could buy all the parts to Abarthise a 600, did that make the car any different to a Abarth factory built one? The cost of tax and duty precluded importing factory cars into UK. Only two Monomilles were sold in UK, I had one which went back to Italy, I'd certainly like a copy no matter where it came from, good luck with these projects, keep the Scorpion alive.

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Re: momomille and bialbero remakes
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2007, 06:09:43 PM »
Thanks ,I will do
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Re: momomille and bialbero remakes
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2007, 06:54:26 PM »
To the above forum members,
                                                       I think this topic has grown its own head.I think my personal opinion was taken out of context.I started my words with "nice idea".I saw the nosepiece that Guy has and its an incredible piece of historical Abarth bodywork. (A piece that i wanted myself).I also would put it to use in a similar fashion,"nice idea".I rebuild and own Abarth replicas (as well as factory Abarths).The Abarth world would barely exist without them.
 My only 'gripe' was what to call them.There is a huge difference between a 2005 remake and a 1963 factory car.I was not directing disrespect towards the remakes,just hoping that the originals and their name is treated with the well earned respect that they deserve.
 As a footnote,the deceased Cameron Millar built a few Maserati 250F's out of a large stock of genuine original new old stock parts.Thankfully i say,as they where awesome at Goodwood and indistinguishable from the real thing.These cars are called CM###'s.
 Do not forget,its just my opinion.Grant Gauld